Heartstopper

Joe in Sweeney Todd, Kit and Tobie enjoying newlywed life. Discuss.

Haven't topped a thread with this one in a minute.

The current most famous gif on DL

Also happy 6 months to the best scene from the series.

I hope fans won’t start a thing. There’s no way Joe will do stage doors every night. It’s prob too exhausting. They should get used to it.

R8 I'm the security guard's #1 fan tbh. They are hilarious. They already told fans he is skittish.

R9 skittish remains a hilarious word. But seriously everything anyone says about Joe adds to the cute aggression. I love that the security guards are treating him like a spooked horse or something

R8 I’ll even say Friday night and right after each matinee is least likely. Friday hell have come off 4 shows in 3 days and have 2 the following day. Understandably maybe he’s not going to have the energy for that

Joe's nice enough to leave quickly unlike some people who wait an hour to run past everyone. Like I said, I think mid-week is probably your best bet to see him. Wednesday he has two shows, but had two days off and not another show until 7pm Thursday, which he could also stage door on that day, but doing it every Friday would be exhausting having to go again twice on Saturday. Assuming no stage door tonight either since he has a matinee on Sunday and Saturday starts an hour later.

R8 Joe had to run to CVS to buy some Viagra. He doesn't care that his fans traveled to see him.

Could this be true? How credible is this site?

Not gonna post the cc but that freak is saying the dumbest things. She thinks Joe is an adult who knows what he’s doing and we shouldn’t treat him like a baby. “He has a very smart brain and y’all think he’s just some stupid kid”. This has nothing to do with that.

R15 Weirdly enough, being smart as fuck and graduating university by 18 did not stop me from dating terrible men.

R14 really really cool if true

R15 it’s literally wild that the same fandom that called Maia age 22 creepy for hooking up with 18 year old kit now insists Joe age 20 with a 38 year old is fine. A little sexism, a little not caring about Joe. And no one is denying he’s smart as fuck, people on here are mostly concerned that 38 is way too fucking old. Subtract 10 years and we’re still at the upper end of an appropriate age gap frankly. No one is criticizing Joe, except Fraulein, in any way here. Hes done nothing wrong. It’s the Fossil

I just looked up the movie on IMDb Pro and there's no cast attached yet but it's scheduled for release this year. The link I posted in R16 says they're doing advanced screenings this month. I hope it's true. We knew he was working on something and voice work is one of his strengths.

Anyone know how old Kit’s agents are?

R14 Think it's legit, don't think anyone would make up advanced screenings and Kit has voice agents at ITG and WME, so it's something he's definitely into doing.

oh i love Stephanie so i like this

That fan is right, you treat Joe as if he's a baby. He knows what he is doing. It's not the first old man he's dated.

R21 Kit has the career of many young British actors, just like Bash. He has plenty of time. It's best to have your career-defining role at 30 then at 19.

It’s a great cast, I love everyone except Pedro, who I’m burnt out on.

R21 He has different agents for different things (and different agencies for UK and US for that matter). Which sector/area are you thinking of and I'll look it up.

R17 Another thing you have in common with your fave. How cute.

I think Daniel Molina is the youngest agent on his team (he’s 35) and everyone else is older, but don’t quote me on that.

R28 Has Kit dated terrible men?

R27 Acting agents in the UK and US. Thanks mate.

Genuinely revelling in and laughing about a 38 year old creeping on someone sp young just because you dislike the younger person must be one of the lowest, most evil things in the world. When people were homophobic to Charlie and bash, not a single person on here celebrated that and we were all quick to hope they were ok. Genuinely wishing homophobia and predatory relationships on someone barely out of his teens is a new low

R33 She's a cunt who thinks Joe is getting what he deserves and the only good man he'll ever has is the jobless assless wonder who lives with his mommy. Newsflash, he's included in with the shitty attention whore men.

It happens, not as if a lot of us didn't fuck a lot of crusty questionable men in our youth

Nothing we didn't already know, but Alice said Tori has a bigger role in S3 at that Solitaire event she did with Jenny.

R25 No shade, but the guy most likely to have his career-defining role be so early out of those 3 is Bash.

R36 it’s the bash troll who knows her fav is a flop so tries to analogize him to kit and insist they’ll both be successes while joe will be a flash in the pan

R33 Says the freak who tries to blame Joe's bad relationships and self-esteem on Bash. Shut up.

Darragh was cast before Alice had even written the S3 scripts.

R32 Rebecca Pumphrey is his UK talent agent and she seems to be older millennial age based on old social pics. Daniel Molina (as mentioned above) and Jessica Kovacevic are his US talent agents. You can look up Jessica Kovacevic pretty easily because she was involved in the Depp/Heard cases.

R35 Good. Reviews constantly mentioned how Jenny was underused

Anyway, pics

Is anyone here in LA that could go to one of the screenings and confirm Kit's voice in the movie?

R43 just texted a gay friend who doesn’t care about HS but finds kit and Joe insanely hot to see if he’ll sign up

R40 Thanks mate. Do you know if they’re representing a lot of young clients?

R46 I would say Rebecca Pumphrey's clients skew younger. Daniel Molina is more mixed but still quite a few younger clients. Jessica Kovacevic is all over the place from elderly to children but her clients seem to run older. All this is based on a quick glance at IMDb of course.

Funny that Joe and Kit are the babies in stacked casts right now.

Joe - Aaron/Sutton/Ruthie Ann (Tony winners)

Kit - Lupita (Oscar winner), Bill/Stephanie (Oscar nominees), Catherine (Emmy winner), Pedro (Emmy nominee)

Also, laughing at KCI posting about the movie after the new Kit site did. She's never posted a rumor before, has she?

Some fans forget that an actual months long strike happened and most films are delayed.

R49 Dumbshit comment aside, did this moron not catch the release date in the tweet?

R49 they’re dumb. Literally almost everything gets pushed back. Agatha was pushed back 9+ months from the speculative original end of 2023 date. He filmed his indie literally under a year ago. His film with Maia under two years ago. Honestly for all I love the bash clowning even Billy Walsh not being out yet isn’t concerning. The strikes definitely delayed shit because studios fucking suck but this isn’t weird regardless.

And I’ll also point out a lot of stuff is getting pushed back in unusual ways due to the strikes too. Say for instance One of Us and Sundance: might normally have made it in, but not been able to because other films that would’ve been premiered earlier like my monster got pushed due to the strike, submitted to Sundance, and took the spots in that genre

Didn’t even notice the date so I’ll say we will be EATING this fall in Joe and Kit content, Jesus. Joe for Agatha, Kit for The Wild Robot, and then both for HS

R51 Speaking of, apparently the ex's movie will be out this Spring

I suppose it is unlikely Kit will attend NY FW. I cannot see any Loewe or JWA shows

Might Joe go ?

R54 I see no show he'd be interested in going to on his two days off

I feel bad for how much condescension this tweet is getting from theatre fans, it's pretty harmless. There's still a difference between performing in rehearsal and performing for a Broadway audience.

R56 Broadway fans acting obnoxious about the fact firstly not everyone lives in New York and has rich parents to indulge their annoying theatre kid tendencies and nonstop Broadway attendance and secondly that it’s still very impressive that in 2.5 weeks of rehearsal he made a debut like THAT in his first show ever

R57 Right, even big Broadway fans have mentioned that his debut performances are usually the type you get after weeks or months of improvement in a role.

R56 Some Broadway fans are the cuntiest of cunts. A lot of of Broadway fans have been super impressed by him. Hope they don't start being assholes just because HS fans are overzealous.

These are the same people pearl clutching about videos being taken and saying how it's simply not done in polite society like everyone doesn't take videos. So much so they had to make up a code word for doing it.

R56 Maybe just me but feel like this girl loves to make tweets like that to set him up.

R60 She’s tweeted in ways that have set both Joe and Kit up before and I can’t tell if she’s stupid or malicious.

Trixie and Katya reacting to one of Manu's seasons of Elite has me cracking up. That show is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Heartstopper but they're still losing it, especially when Manu's character tops.

Shocking that common folks are not impressed by very normal things actors do every single day. Almost as if Joe stans are mentally ill and think everyone should bow down to their favorite.

Catching up. Fuck yes, Kit! That’s an amazing cast though I’m the same on Pedro. Overhyped and over exposed. That being said he’s absolutely massive right now. Good for Stephanie Hsu as well. All fucking fabulous news

[quote]Joe - Aaron/Sutton/Ruthie Ann (Tony winners) Kit - Lupita (Oscar winner), Bill/Stephanie (Oscar nominees), Catherine (Emmy winner), Pedro (Emmy nominee)

R48 I suppose we could also say they are working with Emmy nominee Joe Locke and Emmy winner Kit Connor

I have never heard the expression “orphan rehearsed” because I, like Miss Set Them Up, don’t know much about Broadway. Some in the replies of her tweet mentioned it. Are they saying that as well as filming HS Joe would have been rehearsing in a professional setting in London as well? Because that’s pretty wild

R66 I don't know anything but watched some videos about people in replacement parts and they never said anything about "orphan rehearsed". They all said they'd come for a few weeks, then do put ins and watch the show before they started

I guess it's something.

R67 thanks. Yeah, it sounded a bit over the top to me but thought I’d ask.

R68 I got no clue, but it doesn't sound like anything I've heard. Anyway the Broadway cunts are mad outsiders are excited about theatre for some reason. You see a few tweets telling them to fuck off from other people. Yes, it's horrible young people are excited to go watch freaking Sweeney Todd. Gotta gatekeep for the rich kids in NY and the elderly I guess.

R66 Most actors on broadway rehearse at home before they start the official rehearsals on the Broadway stage.

I don't know about full-on rehearsing while on the Heartstopper set but I'd believe it if he occasionally took time between scenes or commuting to really immerse himself in the music. I'm already humming it to myself all the time and I'm nowhere near a stage actor.

R70 yeah assumed this, I just hadn’t heard of rehearsing solo in a professional environment. Seems from responses that it’s unlikely

I looked into this Hollywood Stock Exchange a little more because I want this new Kit casting to be true. It's a legit trading site that was acquired by Cantor Fitzgerald a while ago. Trading on celebrities and productions is a strange concept to wrap your head around at first, but it's a thing. Kit doesn't seem to have a ticker symbol yet. It seems like this rumour is real so now we wait for the official announcement.

I'd love to hear him sing Burn for real, just as a fun cover since he can't literally play the role. It's such an emotive song.

Obviously have no way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that while they were shooting S3 Joe was in vocal lessons to nail down the songs and Kit was recording his dialogue for the animated movie.

I go away for a conference and come back to new forums. I’m trying to catch up but jesus it’s a lot. Reddit? The return of Tapatalk? Could someone kindly point me in the direction I need to go?

R76 Joe is apparently seeing a 38 year old guy. Some here know his name and to limit lurkers knowing more about it they created a private reddit group to talk about it.

For some reason people also seem to think we are making shit up. Believe me, we would make up something better than this if we wanted to write fanfic

Bro, I wish we were making shit up. I'm still trying to forget the picture that looks like a father/son outing.

R79 Maybe I don’t want to see then. I did think maybe the other gossip blog just wanted some attention. I’m hoping it’s just a New York thing and it’ll end. It shouldn’t even be a thing in the first place and I don’t blame J one bit.

R78 We would’ve married Joe and Kit off already if we were going to make shit up.

I’m embarrassed by how much time I’ve wasted looking for this guy. Haven’t had a lpsg account in years but if they, of all places, are going to become where gossip comes from I’m going to have to bite the bullet

R83 I mean would they go out of their way this much to fox some guy for a bit of clout? If there’s couple looking pictures then…

I honestly would like to forget this man exists. Until there are further developments to update on or joe claims him in some way I’m going to pretend he was shipped back to London to whatever old folks home Fraulein is in

R84 I believe it tho? Just being a dick because they’re literally months, if not years behind on gossip, and I’ve failed to find him for some reason. Just dipped out of lspg years ago

If I have to read about kit being sexualised one more time I’m going to kms

R85 fair. Curiosity and gossip fuel me

R87 what the fuck is she even talking about? People are thrilled he’s doing well in his show, how is that babying. Not even getting started on the Kit shit, which is pure fantasy made up by teenage girlies and middle aged frau who are uncomfortable with sex and want to keep him pure just for themselves

[quote]don't sexualize Kit

No. Shan't.

Seriously though, I'm sure he's fine with people finding him hot and admiring the body he's worked hard for. If anything were to bother him, I'd guess it'd be the AI edits.

R86 The guy who posted it wasn't too impressed and isn't a regular, but judging by what he told me he doesn't seem to like the guy. Not sure he was doing it for clout but more flat out saying Joe is making a bad choice.

R87 Glad we got the go ahead to sexualize Joe!

Looking at her account her whole thing is basically infantilising men. I don’t understand women like that

R87 Kinda agree with their first tweet. Hstwt infantilize Joe all the time.

R93 the only good comments from Broadway cunts is telling HS fans off that Joe's a professional actor and not Charlie Spring, you can praise his talent without being shocked that he has it, which is what some of the set up tweets seem to do from fans

R91 yeah, I noticed he hadn’t seemed to be on Joe’s thread before. Guy clearly hates the Ghost of Christmas Past enough that he’d go to a thread of Joe’s fans to bitch about him. I absolutely believe it

Anyway, I wonder when Kit did the voice work for the animated movie? Anyone know the general timeframe on it?

Dinosaur is hung, rich and on Grindr and thank fuck we’re getting kit news!

Yeah, all fair. I guess it’s just nice to see fans excited. I didn’t really consider the tone

Jesus some of y’all should go into investigation low-key

R99 I thought that fans just sounded genuinely impressed.

R98 Dinosaur is a good name

R98 Ew, did he come up for you or something?

R97 For original voice casts of an animated show or movie (so not dubs of a foreign language), I know voice work is frequently done early in production so that animators can match the character movement and lip flaps to the performance. But this can definitely vary. If the movie is already doing test screenings, Kit might have recorded his lines quite some time ago. It's sadly pretty rare for Western animation to have voice actors record together, especially with casts like this one where they're mainly live action actors with varying schedules.

I'll also add, my job involves books for all target audiences and The Wild Robot is pretty well-loved.

R104 thanks! I’d actually heard of the wild Robot before so I was even more curious about this as a result. Friend is a teacher and has it on her rec list. And Kit has a gorgeous speaking voice and does great audio work.

As a question, since you’re familiar, what role do you think he’d be?

R105 I actually haven't read it, sorry! But like your friend, my job means I see a lot of recommendation and request lists, or programs for children involving literature. So I know it's a popular pick.

Kit has done voice work for His Dark Materials as well, so it'd be cool if voicing book adaptations became a niche of his. It seems a lot harder than it looks/sounds, giving a good vocal performance. I remember Tom Hanks saying voicing Woody is some of the most challenging/exhausting work he's ever done.

R106 agreed. It’s also a great between other projects gig: obviously work he enjoys, he can do it from London, and while I’m sure time consuming I doubt it’s like, 12 hour days every day. Good quality of life “downtime” while still earning money, doing what he loves, and getting a resume item. Not to mention I could listen to Joe or Kit read a phone book.

R97 The project's director was announced on September 28 and release date was announced on December 19, so I would guess second half of the year?

I’m sorry but whenever I see someone has posted Yaz’s insta story I think a porn bit has ended up on my feed because it starts at her panties with her legs spread lmao

VO work really seems like something he loves to do. He’s done it for videos games, an audio series, a television show, and now a movie. Plus, he has representation for VO work specifically and I think he’s one of the few that does in the cast. I think it’s just him and Rhea.

R110 cannot think of someone id want to listen to less than Rhea. Would love to hear Will and Joe do voicework too. Kit is fantastic at it

R110 pretty sure someone gave the low on all of Joe and Kit’s agents the other day and Joe has VO representation too. Could be misremembering

R112 That was me and I don’t think he had one when I checked, but I know someone on here has IMDb Pro access and can double-check that.

R110 I could see Kit doing one of those giant video games that requires motion capture in addition to voice work, really physically demanding in a different way. On my mind right now since I'm watching the documentary about making TLOU2. The actresses for Abby and Ellie are so damn good even through all of that mocap gear.

R110 It’s weird I don’t remember hearing him talk much about it in interviews. He’s always mentioning loving acting in movies/theater.

R116 I do think part of that is also a pitching yourself thing too. Joe quickly mentioned marvel and Disney and made it clear he was interested in big projects. After landing that he then started talking more about musicals and theatre. I think Kit enjoys it a lot but may rightfully presume casting directors can tell from his resume that he enjoys and is good at voicework, so uses interviews to also pitch interest in things he has less experience in

R117 less professional experience, I should say. I know Joe obviously did amateur stuff on IOM and Kit was on a drama/theatre scholarship for his school

From the current main cast, Kit and Rhea are the only ones who have voice agents right now. Olivia Colman and Stephen Fry do as well (obviously), and so do both actors who play Charlie's parents.

I'm surprised that Jenny Walser doesn't have a voice agent since she's been doing the audiobook re-releases for Alice and she's quite good at it.

R119 thank you. If I can be a bit of a shit nah, while you’re logged in, does Yaz have new PR rep?

R98 How did you know that?

R120 No PR listed for Yaz right now. Looks like she's still freewheeling.

On another note, did that guy from LPSG delete his post? I was almost done my two day waiting period to message him and now it looks like it's gone. I guess I'm never going to figure out who the dinosaur is.

R122 probably for the best tbh.

And thanks! I didn’t think I’d seen anything about new PR

R123 He already planted the seed.

The mods on LPSG are extremely trigger-happy when it comes to deleting posts and closing threads, might have been one of them. But agree with R123, it's for the best.

R123 Probably, but I'm a nosy fucker

For the best because it would have gotten to Heartstopper Twitter eventually and the guy and Joe would be floated with messages probs

R128 Although the guy is a creep and would deserve it I feel like Joe would be the one getting dragged through the mud by the teeny boppers

Last thing Joe needs when live performing every day is stress so the less it spreads the better

R129 That would be the worst thing like people commenting on Tal’s posts. Just gonna make Joe resent his fans and cling to old man. There’s nothing fans can and should do but wish the best for Joe.

R127 oh mate, same. I have to wear not knowing this one unfortunately. Hopefully we hear about it when it’s long in the rearview

Joe hasn't been papped in NY yet but if they got papped, that'd probably be the only way it gets out. And even then, from how you guys are describing the age difference, people might not jump to them being a couple if they aren't caught doing anything romantic. At most, the rest of us would have a face to match the many, many, many names. Truly the only funny part about the whole thing.

Tbh it seems like (from limited knowledge) Joe likes to date one at a time for short but exclusive bursts. He’s in NY for another two months. Short of the guy permanently moving to NY I doubt he or the “relationship” will stick around for the whole duration

R133 I have enjoyed attributing as many well known decrepit characters to him as possible.

R134 yeah realistically that’s my guess. Hate this guy but joes been in something long distance that broke up before, is extremely career fine before anything else. And is young and has needs that won’t be filled by a grandpa in London while he’s in NY. Guessing/hoping it’s just a waiting game

Apart from my contribution of dinosaur, I think his face reminds me of Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland. R121 lpsg guy R122 yes he’s gone

He’s just an ugly old man. Fossil, dinosaur, crypt keeper, grandpa are all honestly too nice for such a fucking creep.

The nicknames aren't bad enough, someone needs to invent a slur for old people.

So no one has seen Joe yet? No friends and family? I suppose we shouldn't expect Kit to go see Joe now that he has a middle-aged man on his arm.

Based on this person's other tweets about meeting Joe at stage door, I think the context here is that he was being wink wink about playing Wiccan.

R141 yeah she gave him a friendship bracelet with Wiccan on it and he almost accepted it and then sort of went ‘ahh’ and then they jokingly agreed he’d pretend not to see it

R139 There’s a word I can’t use because thankfully Joe isn’t young enough to warrant it.

Great news, the happy couple is still together...

R144 Bless them! Pasta dinners are are a go

Joe's newest biggest fan apparently.

R144 the way that could honestly be their real voices because they’re so untalented. Sad. Bash’s taste in rings is atrocious. I will say it’s funny that bash fans received confirmation Charlie and bash are still together today and that bash’s film is coming out and are more excited about the former

R144 Bash must be great in bed bc I can’t see how he can stack up these hot twinks for so long.

Can't unsee that Aaron Tveit stans are called Tveiter Tots. I'm dying imagining a future where Joe stans are called Lockesmiths.

The source for the NYE video has gone private again (after reopening their account for a few weeks). I wonder if there's some new content they're keeping away from public eyes or if people are being weird.

R145 Between pasta dinners with a gorgeous twink to dinner with a neanderthal, I think Bash is doing more than fine.

R147 You don't think it's his personality?

A big of Mr. Security Guard. That's why he told them they were bad R8

R151 Can you have a negative boner. Someone post Joe's tongue so I can recover

Absolutely love this. He’s the people’s princess.

R153 Thanks, it's immediately back

And this is cute

R158 Where's the guy who said this place reeks of fraus?

Tickets are sold out tonight and mostly sold out for tomorrow (will be sold out)

R160 seriously fuxking cool. Amazing for him and the whole cast

Anyway. Lurkers, he's a real hot twink.

R159 I'm on hiatus BC trolling isn't as fun when there's an actual creep in Joe's life.

I'll be back at it when he's OUT!

R164 Fair enough. That situation is actually sad.

3 ghost posts in a row is extraordinary even for her. Her nurse is once again negligent

R167 had the same reaction. I honestly thought it was a cringe moment from another tiktok someone made a mean reaction video to at first. Didnt realize he willingly posted it

R168 No one thinks badly of Bash the same way you losers obsessively do.

Connor J posted and I didn't realize how shit his engagement is. Half a million followers and he has all of 4k likes and 30 comments in an hour. And I'm rounding up.

R168 He's just fucking weird. Like the humor of a 12 year old but also his tiktoks are boomerish. Strange. The dick must have be good when his mom wasn't around to date him for two years.

R172 random but I actually like that account a lot. She seems to be one of the Joe stans who also genuinely likes and roots for Kit too. It’s nice when people act like that. I think another account, I don’t remember the username but know the name they go by is Briar, is pretty similar in reverse and clearly loves Kit more but is really nice about Joe and roots for him. Neither of them is breaking new ground with their tweets or anything but they seem like actually nice people

Didn’t realize troye had dyed his hair dark. Given that, Throw Joe in this pic and Kit would need a brown paper bag to breathe into type wise

R142 Speaking of Wiccan, I saw a tweet hoping that Joe will sing something from The Sound of Music as Billy because it's canonically Billy's favourite. It'd be cool if Agatha had musical homages the way Wandavision had sitcoms.

She’s seen the show 2 times now and she’s on the third row today. Aren’t tickets 300$? Glad hstwt fans are supporting Joe so much though.

R176 rich kids of HStwt. Didnt crunchy fly from like, the Virgin Islands to London to see “the cast” at the London con? I say the cast but mean kit because she’s shown no signs of going to see Joe on Broadway or will with Wasia in NYC. Which is preferable but funny she pretends to be a whole cast stan instead of Wildly thirsty for kit

R176 There are some cheaper tickets if you get lucky. Joelocke.kr is on show #5 and flew over, so she needs to step it up

R177 Really grinds your gear that some fans are thirsty for Kit and not Joe, huh? Lmao.

R179 he started off like an old pro. By the end of his run, I wouldn’t be surprised if some critics went back just by word of mouth to be able to say they reviewed him in his first but not last Broadway performance.

Joe'll get reviewed if the producers invite the critics back for Aaron and Sutton, which is pretty unlikely. Last time I remember critics being invited back for a replacement was when Lea took over for Beanie in FG.

R177 I know you were being facetious but Crunchy being described as a kid sent me.

R184 yeah the sun damage is real there

R158 I mean boop isn’t the word that I’d use

R186 posted for the pic please ignore any frauish captions ever and presume any time I find Joe adorable I also want to eat his ass and rail him

R186 Thinking about who he might be looking at make me upset

R187 done

R188 no. Tags back on so hopefully Nosferatu has headed back to the uk

R188 cease and desist. The gargoyle should never be imagined. Just focus on Joe.

Is the reddit group still a thing?

R191 Yes. DM ScaryProfit6396 if you know Voldemort's name

For the other guy who shares my fondness for Everything Now; Most posted a reel from the show so that’s positive

He’s gorgeous. Ruthie always looking out for him is really sweet. Need her to put grandpa in a nursing home or prison

R194 Is he OK??! Why does he look like that?

R193 Fingers crossed because that show really deserves a renewal

Joe didn’t do the stage door at all tonight so no content that way

I live about 40 mins from where Joe was in Melbourne, should have went to tell him to up his standards for himself. He’s too good for anyone he’s been with.

Anyways, let’s spam the threat with boner fuel

The fact there has been another covert Aussie (or Expat?) here the whole time has brought me joy since I discovered it. Great to know there is one person who understands some of the colloquial shit I write

R197 makes sense. His show tomorrow is a matinee.

R200 just one show tomorrow? I’d think setting expectations early that he’s not going to do every night is good.

R199 Brit. Here for the year, so I can still tell Joe off in London too haha

R194 Joe looks tired tho, he doesn't have the same wide smile he had on Wednesday, and the hug with ruthie far less enthusiastic

R201 just one yeah but after 2 today and no breaks. I agree good to set the precedent generally but also think Friday and Saturday nights every week are gonna be the least likely times

R201 tomorrow only the matinee one at 2:00

R203 I mean he’s probably exhausted, I think he’s still just as thrilled

R194 Kinda wish a friend or family member was with him in NYC. He looks exhausted. Not to sound like a frau but he’s had so many instances of working away from his family for the last 3 years. I know he’s an adult and all but still.

R207 I’m guessing his mum will be out ASAP and I’m sure his dad will visit too

R207 not disagreeing with you but re him being an adult: he and Kit both are but I think that we can still look at them and think wow they’re young as fuck to be in a profession where you are performing for the public and subject to their approval daily, much less abroad and much less having been doing it for three years. I’m not worried about Joe in that I think he can’t handle it, but I do wish he was able to have more in person support (of course his family and friends adore him and support him virtually)

Hopefully they’ll be there soon! Maybe Sunday as they’ll get to be with him all weekend?

I’m sure they have a date to go that he knows about so that’ll perk him up from being exhausted!

R206 yeah, I know he's living his dream, and he must be thrilled, but I see him exhausted, and honestly, two shows a day seem like a lot to me, but I guess that's how Broadway shows are, and he signed for that. It was good to hear from the people who attended the last performance that he's getting better each time, and that's great. He's tired, and surely he'll get into the rhythm soon. Honestly, I wish him the best, I feel so proud of him and I don't even know him

I think it’s smart that Joe is prioritizing sleep and himself and his performances over stage door. I know there’s some amount of pressure when you know the vast majority of fans waiting there are for you but at the end of the day, killing it in the show that people paid 100-300+ dollars to see is most important. And I’m glad he’s able to put himself first in that regard

There might be an uptick in visitors after Aaron and Sutton start on Friday. Not because Joe's friends and fam are picky about who plays the lead roles, but Aaron and Sutton could complete the "final form" of Joe's run if we assume they're all leaving in early May. Joe has been fantastic from Day 1, but he might find it comforting to have more visitors when he's truly settled in the role and weekly routine. Like getting used to Monday and Tuesday as his weekend of sorts.

Which reminds me: The Met Gala is on a Monday, possibly even the Monday after his last Sweeney performance. (Again, only assuming his timeline will match up with Aaron and Sutton.)

R212 Agreed. He could be at this for several months and I'd bet people with experience advised him on taking decent amounts of rest. It's a marathon, not a sprint, etcetera.

I was at the show tonight and Joe was absolutely incredible!! Even after a two show day his voice held up, and he’s as good as he sounds in the recordings. Also, this goes without saying but his acting was amazing as well.

I do have some bad news though regarding he who must not be named. He was also at the show tonight sitting two rows behind me. Can I be added to the Reddit group to discuss? My username is small_employee_5335.

I checked this out and I think UK school has a small break next week so would make sense for Helen to be then.

R214 JFC there goes my hopes that he had fucked off

R214 dm me his name then. ScaryProfit6396. Sorry but I need to be really careful about this.

R214 so shitty about C. Montgomery Burns that I didn’t say that I’m thrilled you thought he was great. Very fucking jealous

R214 God let’s hope he’s not one of those older controlling freaks

R216 it keeps saying chat failed when I try to message you on Reddit, probably because my account is too new. I messaged you using my other account collinld1220 instead

Apparently this person met NPH and called him their fave Tobias performance, but he said no, Joe Locke is great. Seems to be a random NYC encounter instead of an encounter at the show, though.

R220 yeah, I name searched NPH earlier and someone saw him at a gay bar in Brooklyn so guessing they bumped into him there. Nice he’s so sweet about Joe though.

R219 thanks. Let me refresh my Reddit app.

R220 that’s actually so fucking cool for Joe. R214 that’s devastating to hear!!!

Own-seaworthiness738 for reddit

R224 he did, thanks for reminding though! As a reminder, and without trying to be a dick: if you want to be added to the Reddit group, I need you to DM me (ScaryProfit6396) on Reddit with the fossil’s name and to post your username here. It isn’t enough to do one or the other. The former is to ensure you actually know who it is and aren’t just alluding to details already given here to imply you do. The latter is so I can review your post history and make sure you’re not a troll or total dickhead. Truly sorry to everyone else, I hate gatekeeping. I just hate the idea that this info could leak and be used by that unhinged cunt of a troll or anyone else to hurt Joe more. If absolute fucking freaks didn’t exist in the fandom I’d absolutely prefer discussing all this here.

R225 eh, all good. Am I jealous when it goes quiet here and I know you’re all shitting on him there - yep. The trolling we’ve had on this thread though has been absolutely revolting. The two cunts m here genuinely hate him - which is a bizarre way to behave. I see lpsg has totally scrubbed the guys comment which is great

I’m sorry but if my friend or family member was dating someone almost 20 years their senior whilst they’re still so young, I would have a lot to say.

I’d find it slightly odd even if Joe was 30 or 40 but I’d probably keep my thoughts to myself.

R214 Actually starting to get concerned that this guy might be controlling. Why does it sound like he’s going to every performance and not letting Joe out of his sight at all?

R227 I do honestly have to wonder who in his life is aware. Friends probably but his parents? Idk

Can very unfortunately verify that r214 has demonstrated he knows who the guy is so that account of seeing the fucking ghoul is unfortunately true.

What a dodgy motherfucker. I hope Joe jettisons him soon

Truly need Helen or someone to visit and be like hey so he’s a fucking creep

R232 Helen looks pretty young. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s only got a few years on him

R233 yeah, I mean obviously guys can have kids older, but his dad also not only looked young but has a very young daughter. So guessing they weren’t any older than mid to late twenties when Joe was born.

Curious about dinosaurs. I’m that_introduction435

This creepy old man needs to go back to London in an urn honestly

It's eerie that we were just talking about the summer dalliance CMBYN quote from the GQ article. I still agree with everyone concluding that his teenage summer dalliance likely wasn't a drastic age gap, but I can't believe we were so in the dark about the current 18-year gap as we spoke about it.

R237 not being funny if that age gap was larger than like 2 years I’m seriously fucking concerned for joe. I know we rightfully mock Twitter people desexualising him and kit all the time but he’s so so fucking young.

Ah thanks for the condensed version r77. Didn’t realize we’d moved from dick watermarks to full on gatekeeping. Guess I’ve got some searching to do.

R239 I don’t know either and i understand the gatekeeping. Trolls have been foul to Joe

R239 the gatekeeping isn’t being done just to be dicks. If I come across something like a career potential for Joe or Kit or something I’d absolutely post it here immediately but unfortunately this is what lurkers and trolls and stalkers have driven us to in regard to Personal lives

Gatekeeping because the same Twitter weirdos would drag Joe about it, not the creeper.

Were the pictures typically cosy, for whomever saw the creeps Insta? Although I couldn’t rationalise this random old man nobody has seen before being with him when he’s technically on his own in NYC.

R243 They are very close in these pics. All the pics have a dating vibe. Joe also looks very radiant, gorgeous and cute. Although I don't wanna mention him, these pics gives me the vibe like his early days with bash.

Kit followed a girl and a guy on Instagram tonight. They're normies and neither of them strike me as his type, so probably nothing too exciting.

Just messaging to join the Reddit now - username is Witty_Plane4934

R245 What?! So it is serious?

R246 Yeah not sure about them. Maybe just mates he picked up recently.

R245 please no. I’m in this limbo state where I hate not knowing but also fear knowing

R250 Yeah tbh. Understand the gatekeeping but we should then stop talking about it because it’s useless and annoying for those who don’t know.

R151 and he reposted it to his stories so inexplicably he’s proud of it

Since when does Ben Platt follow Kit?

R253 pretty sure the coming out

But they don't know how hickeys work and will have to have their friends explain horniness to them

R255 two lesbians and an ace guy (and tao) in the show. Good lord

R245 That’s unfortunate (I do feel bad for him) but I hope you fraus will stop acting as if Bash was the worst boyfriend to Joe. I hope you will stop acting like Kit has a thing for Joe when it’s clear Joe wants to be with older men - for now. It’s fucked up. More than ever, it’s evident they are actors/friends and that’s it.

I've been wondering how much they'll show of the sex storyline in trailers, if anything at all. The S2 trailer did include some of the hickey drama in a comedic way, so they might do that again for the sex storyline.

Could also see the trailer having a more serious tone for Charlie's arc and including something like Charlie's struggles with taking off his shirt.

R258 I'm gonna assume not much since the focus should be on Charlie's mental health and other issues. Already going to jarring to go from inpatient to fucking in 8 episodes, let alone putting that in a trailer, though obviously it's not going to be a trailer full of doom and gloom.

Anyway, today's show is sold out too

R260 I suspect they'll go for a middle ground that intercuts scenes that feel more light-hearted and hopeful, just to signal that the show isn't going to lose its overall positive/borderline fantastical tone. Even just visual cues of Having Fun like the beach, fireworks/NYE kiss, or the carnival. Or they could equally go for the teaser trailer having one tone, the full trailer having another. The teaser trailers tend to be more like montages anyway, rare dialogue.

R258 Could be wrong but I think since this season is different and will cover a whole year, they might make it like a movie trailer. They can show some sad moments and happy moments like the carnival and end with them looking at each other then looking at an empty bed.

I'm guessing they'll show some of the buildup to Charlie's inpatient stay, but not the stay itself to keep the trailer a little lighter. Maybe a glimpse of the conversation with his parents or the conversation with Nick. Could do something similar with the sex scenes, maybe a second or two of Nick talking to Elle and Tara about it.

R262 Yeah, trailers usually try to be thematic across the board, so they might narrow in on something like Change as a theme. Change of seasons + glimpses of Charlie's mental health as the seasons pass, change of being ready for sex, change of looking at universities, and whatever else they have going on for the side characters like Elle's new school or whatever transformation storyline may exist for Darcy. The S2 trailer tried to tease something for every couple, so probably adding Imogen/Sahar to that mix to replace Isaac/James.

Weirdly I can perfectly visualize them showing Nick reacting to Charlie drumming on stage, but that could be Sweeney Todd on the brain.

So the trades have known who is in "The Wild Robot" cast for a while (since at least the end of December), but it sounds like they're all respecting an embargo set by Dreamworks.

[quote]The last time Chris Sanders directed an animated feature was back in 2013 with “The Croods.” Now, the filmmaker, who also directed “Lilo & Stitch” and “How to Train Your Dragon” and who most recently dipped his toes into live-action with “The Call of the Wild,” is back at DreamWorks Animation with “The Wild Robot.” Based on the books by Peter Brown, it follows a robot who washes ashore on a quiet, human-less island and becomes involved in the lives of the animals that live there. Of course, the company behind the robot wants its property back. [bold](The movie has a very starry cast that we cannot reveal, sadly.)[/bold] Early reports have described the movie as a cross between “WALL•E” and “Bambi,” and Sanders is one of the greatest, most singular voices in modern animation. His return to the art form is very much appreciated. We’re all going to go wild for “The Wild Robot.”

R265 I was skeptical at first but that sounds really cool. How to train your dragon was a big hit.

R265 holy shit - that sounds like it will be amazing

Also doing some more snooping around now, and the Dreamworks producer that's producing "The Wild Robot" follows Kit, Joe, Alice, Patrick, and the Heartstopper account on Instagram. Heartstopper fan. He's liked virtually all of Kit and Joe's posts, has actually liked Kit's post uninterrupted since July 2022. Also follows Pedro, Lupita, and Stephanie. Don't think Bill or Catherine have Instagram accounts.

The things I do for these guys. I downloaded and am reading the Wild Robot. I’ll revert back with a synopsis and characters so we can point down who Kit is likely playing

You can get in Bradley's pants for 3 pounds

R269 Until you've read A Cuban Girl's whatever for Kit you haven't truly suffered. But I'd guess Brightbill.

Random but a Vice President of Talent and Development at Paramount Globalcommented on joes most recent post and said “was in the audience for your opening and you killed it. Flawless. Not While I’m Around was Effortless”

R272 Joe's gonna get so many offers very soon. HS fans can't gatekeep him anymore

R272 is this a big deal or just industry courtesy? Genuinely asking, because it sounds like a big deal to me but I have no idea

R274 i don’t know that he casts anything Joe would be interested in; seems like he was involved in a reality show for instance. But it’s absolutely not a bad connection.

Not really about the guy in particular, but just that people in the industry who have no idea who Joe will come and see how talented he is if they watch the show. Word of mouth is good. For every regular Broadway fan in the audience there might be someone who actually has some connections and power who might want to see more of Joe in something. It's a good thing.

R276 Was just about to say the same thing. There are people in the industry who might be discovering him for the first time, or people who knew him from Heartstopper but are seeing right in front of their eyes that he's very capable of range.

I think this might also end up being a nice bridge between Heartstopper and Agatha. People are already realizing they "weren't familiar with that Heartstopper twink's game" and all that jazz. I wish they would have given him a chance no matter what, but if Sweeney is helping turn the tide, why not.

R277 yeah I think that’s right. I think Broadway give serious actor cred when you perform really well, plus Agatha has the mass market marvel appeal while giving him a chance to show more range than a “typical” marvel show. And then if HS S3 is really centered around Charlie’s journey he’ll basically have three back to back showpieces

R278 Think Agatha will be pretty PG and we know how hs is. His best bet to show his range is probably Sweeney, right now.

R279 didn’t say either would be R rated, said they’d be showpieces. I think Joe and Kit are likely to give two incredible performances, even if PG, in S3, and Agatha will likely let him show some comedy skills. Going from funny and heart wrenching on stage to funny onscreen for Agatha to heart wrenching for HS is still great.

R279 Agatha will have him doing an American accent, possibly singing, and his character might be less sweet than Charlie or Tobias. I agree that Sweeney is a huge showcase but wouldn’t entirely count out Agatha either, especially after the reception to Wandavision's acting.

R280 The show is very cookie cutter. I didn’t say they wouldn’t give amazing performances but the show limits what they can do as actors. Even Joe mentioned in an interview he wants more challenging roles after filming Agatha.

R282 maybe you’re thinking of the word showpiece differently than I am. I’m not saying career defining role. I’m saying showing his skills. Firstly I do think calling Agatha or Wandavision cookie cutter is a real stretch; the latter holds up and is still very well regarded. Secondly it’ll give him the chance to do comedy, and an American accent. Thirdly, it’ll give him exposure to American audiences and interviews, and he’s so fucking charming that’ll go well for him. Lastly even if the show is just fine, holding his own against Kathryn, Aubrey, and Patti will impress a lot of people.

Excellent Disney+ performances that have come out after WandaVision haven't gotten anywhere near the praise they deserve. WandaVision had the advantage of coming out in an extremely weak pandemic year.

R382 Nothing Joe, Kathryn or Patti has said about Agatha has implied it's anything cookie cutter

R282 I meant Heartstopper is cookie cutter.

R286 sure it is, agreed. But for the size of the show, Joe, Kit, and even Will and Yaz broke out in a huge way after S1 where they were much less experienced and polished and with a simpler storyline. If they’re given the chance to highlight their nonverbal acting, I think S3 storyline will again be a showcase for their skills. You can disagree, you seem prettt confident that both Agatha and HS will do absolutely nothing to help joes career or show his skills which is fine. I just think otherwise

R287 That’s not what I’m arguing. I said I don’t think Agatha nor HS will show Joe’s (Or Kit’s with heartstopper) full range. He got Agatha and Sweeney from HS so of course they will help his career.

R288 right but I don’t think I or anyone else said this will show his entire skill set and be his peak. We said it’s an opportunity to show a wider range of skills which is just true. Aside from brief moments he and Kit made funny with charisma, he hasn’t gotten to show comedy skills which he will with Agatha, plus accent work. This season of Heartstopper is also the first one revolving primarily around his storyline and a pretty dark dramatic thing that I think he’ll do great in. Those are both things that will help impress people re his range. I’m not claiming they’re Oscar level projects here.

It's really hard for one role to show off most of your range, but Joe and Kit will both have a good amount of material with those 3-4 seasons of Heartstopper, especially for the kind of show it is. It's cookie cutter, but scenes like Nick's coming out and the last scene of S2 are rarely executed that well in YA fare.

[quote] I saw Joe in his first Saturday matinee of Sweeney Todd and he was, in a word, phenomenal. He has such a sweet voice and really held a presence in his own right with other powerful stage actors. Unfortunately, he was one of the few who didn’t come to the stage door this evening. Which the one security guard was all-too-delighted to act clever about, waving around a door lock while repeating “is not coming out.”

My one sided crush on Mr. Security Guard continues

R291 I get you. That’s too funny

R291 can you imagine how much they payout on Joe. He loves that kind of banter so I’m sure they’re a highlight

Need Mr. Security Guard to slam a door in the Fossil's face and I'll be ready to propose.

R294 sadly ghouls can travel through walls

Someone needs to hobble the geriatric and get him into the closest empty grave and I would love and admire the security guards who do so

R295 God. You guys are going to send me to the crypt right along with him.

Lucy’s University has a school break Feb 12-16 (10-18 counting weekends), and IOM schools where Joe’s mom works has a school break Feb 29-23 (17-25). So starting next week it’s safe to assume Joe will have a non-creepy loved one nearby. Hopefully Fossil is just in NYC to support Joe during his opening and is already planning to pass the torch to Lucy soon.

I’m hoping it’s a sugar daddy type situationship whilst he’s in New York. Although, I assume Joe has as much or more money than that geriactric viroid.

R299 Having to mute and crop the TikTok to make them tolerable is crazy.

R298 Ignoring the corpse in the room that would be lovely for his family and friends to start coming to see him!

R300 I wish this was the case, I really do.

Do actually think the guy is wealthy so hopefully Joe at least isn’t spending money on him. That said the sooner he has a heart attack the better

R304 If he is I would say get that bag Joe, make him pay for everything but I’m still grossed out by it so

I know Joe doesn't follow the fossil, at least not publicly. But does anybody that knows Joe follow him (obviously nobody has to give names here, just a yes or no answer if they can)? It was such a secret to us for so long that I feel like people would have picked up on it earlier if a following pattern existed.

I must admit generational fangirling is endearing haha

R265 R268 This is bigger than I first imagined. This is great for Kit.

R306 there’s no giveaways in the following. It’s literally only stuff this guy has posted that is a giveaway

R308 It’s so good for him! I also like seeing hugely anticipated movies too, I feel like TV shows or 3-5 part series had really taken over recently.

Yeah, I admittedly have a total blind spot for animated movies but in my research found out it's a really, really anticipated movie, especially among animation buffs.

Sounds like he stage doored which I expected

R312 you mentioned this and I didn’t realise they did Matinee stage doors.

R308 so fucking exciting for him. Kid’s movies have some of the most fun promo and it will be very mainstream. Mums are going to love him

R314 This reminds me of a Medium essay I read a while back that a millennial mom wrote about Kit basically reawakening her (sexually and otherwise). Which IIRC was actually well-written and kind of interesting, but also insanely bizarre.

R315 that’s the whole vibe of one section of the Ao3 fans. Every now and then they pop up on my tl and it’s always a covert horny post about Kit or something about their kids. Weird as fuck

Finished the book. Does anyone want a long synopsis and explanation of Kit’s likely role or nah?

R317 give us a super shot synopsis and info on Kit’s likely role.

Joe has a 40-year-old sugar daddy??? Damn, they don't pay these actors enough! You'd think he was rich with his new Broadway gig.

R319 well I already wrote the long one so sorry. Last paragraph is all about kit though if you want the TLDR

Alright, read the Wild Robot. Actually cute and will absolutely get a sequel, great setup for one and the second book itself is already written. If my guess is correct Kit actually has a big cool role. All these character guesses are obviously based on the presumption they don’t make new ones for the film. The plot is basically that a robot named Roz (guessing Lupita) washes ashore on an island of animals, who accidentally activate her. She doesn’t really experience normal emotions or anything at first, and the animals are all pretty frightened of her, though she understands their language and tries to speak to them. She accidentally destroys a nest of goose eggs and takes the intact one with her to hatch it. That egg hatches into a gosling named Brightbill. She basically raises him as his mother, and through him clearly develops more empathy and emotional range, bonds with the animals around her, and becomes a huge part of this island and community.

She helps create peace on the island using intelligence and the ability to help them, like creating fires for warmth in the winter. Along this journey a beaver named Mr Beaver (guessing Pedro) helps her build a hut to keep Brightbill warm and other things. One of Brightbill’s friends is a squirrel named Chitchat who talks a mile a minute, guessing Stephanie Hsu. The book overall seems like a gateway to teach kids about things like empathy, embracing differences (Brightbill and Roz discuss how they’re different a lot), nature and the circle of life (some animals freeze to dead in the winter), and human interaction with nature (a goose on his migration is shot to death and Brightbill becomes the leader).

Eventually people discover where Roz has washed up and send other devices to take her back. The animals led by Brightbill try to save her from this. Unfortunately Roz is badly damaged in the struggle, and one of the other devices informs her that humans will never stop trying to get her. In order to get fixed and for the safety of the island and the animals on it, she decides to leave, but tells Brightbill that he is her son and this is her home and she will do her utmost to return.

Guessing Kit is Brightbill. It’s a good Role, second biggest in the book, and a really sweet bond because she really learns empathy and gains community from him. There are also parts of the book told as retroactive stories from Brightbikl to Roz where he describes his migration for the winter to her that I can see being more developed as a synchronous storyline in the movie. One quote I can see people melting over from him: “We’re a strange family,” said Brightbill, with a little smile. “But I kind of like it that way.”

R321 doubt the Sugar Daddy has much to do with it and it’s more about being love bombed by an older, successful guy. The way it’s a huge over correction after all the others is wild. Anyway, most of have to learn about older creeps the hard way. Hopefully it’s soon and not too traumatic for him

R322 Kit’s so good at adjusting his voice to play young characters. He was doing VO for Pam in His Dark Materials, well after his voice had settled to his current range. He will absolutely kill this

R323 I don't understand. No one is looking after these young gay actors? He's more vulnerable than the typical 19-year-old twink.

R322 Thanks, that's great info. Kit is really good at modulating his voice to sound older or younger so this is great. I suspected that's the character he would play based on the synopsis but I didn't read the book.

This is also where I'll recommend watching His Dark Materials to anyone who hasn't already. He was fantastic as Pantalaimon, especially in the last season in that one big scene. I'll never understand how he was able to emote so well when we couldn't even see his face.

R322 That's what I figured. Roz - Lupita Nyongo, Brightbill - Kit, Loudwing maybe- Catherine O'hara, Longbreak - Pedro

Not sure about who Stephanie Hsu would play

R324 yeah kits a good fit because the character matures fast. Goes from newborn to migrating for the winter to leader of the gaggle of geese within a year and I think is supposed to end more or less as an older teenager which Kit obviously is right now and Kit has the vocal flexibility and talent to do the younger acting too

R327 I’m guessing the fast talking squirrel friend ChitChat. The book is cute but there’s not much comic relief so I can see them using Catherine as loudwing and Stephanie as chitchat to add some of thag

R322 Great summary. Thanks. Is Tom Hanks in this too?

To the person earlier who was asking about the Paramount exec leaving a comment on Joe's Instagram, those kinds of things are always worth keeping an eye out on. Who notices what. Obviously none of us would've known to look for this, but the producer of "The Wild Robot" left a comment on Kit's post when S2 came out. I was looking through his husband's Instagram (he also works at Dreamworks, but as a story artist) and he made a bunch of posts about Heartstopper. Guessing that's how Kit landed on their radar for this.

R325 seems to me that he doesn’t really have that older community network we build when we’re younger. He moves around too much to have the slightly older guys warning him about older creeps. The boys seem to mainly hang out together and they don’t seem to have really found their family yet. It’s probably really hard when you tend to meet those people in casual settings (lbr, parties, bars, gay amateur sports). So no, no guides as far as I can tell

R330 is he? If he was mentioned as the cast, I’d say he would be the helpful beaver friend maybe.

Also thinking about it more, my new guess for Pedro is he would be the robot/device sent to capture Roz who is destroyed by the animals and damages Roz a lot in the process. As the robot/device is dying he tells her that humans will never stop looking for her, that they’ll send more devices to retrieve her, and that she can try fixing herself on the ship. It’s the big drama in the book so I think that’s more likely for him than friendly supporting animal

R331 I wonder if Kit was already cast at that point.

R332 yeah was basically thinking this, that because he’s moved so much in 3 years he’s never had a long enough settled group of firm adults to help him navigate. Like I’d like to think Aubrey and Kathryn would say something if they were around, and I bet members of the Sweeney Todd cast are also weirded out if they’ve met this much older man but don’t know Joe well enough yet to say anything

R335 while I think adults are great, I’m talking more about your gay guides that help you navigate your way through the community while you’re young, vulnerable and a bit clueless. Because they are “gay famous” (as Trixi said) I think they haven’t really had the opportunity to meet those men. Tbh, I met almost all of the older guys in my groups at dance parties or through others. The boys don’t seem to be able to go to places that help you make those connections

R336 nah I agree overall but I think those would’ve been possible in ST too if he wasn’t always hopping around geographically. Like I would guess the gay cast members are the ones side eyeing this the most and being the most weirded out by this. Projecting a bit but can see how something like Daniel’s post telling the show to take care of such a sweet special boy was in part a reaction to the what the fuck of meeting a crypt keeper and realizing he was with Joe. If he was with ST for say; a year I think someone at some point, probably a gay cast member, would feel comfortable discussing it with him and helping him learn the lay of the land. Aubrey and Kathryn were just the agatha examples because he has no other men on that job

The whole thing weirds me out, I feel like the Heartstopper guys don’t know either, or don’t want to say anything.

For example If I was a close gay friend like Tobie I would absolutely make a comment but wouldn’t want to tell him what to do and would just have to stew in my concern (kinda like right now as a total stranger)

R337 Daniel calling him boy many times hits different with current information.

Sorry to those in the Kit career discussion. Multi tasking - I’m in that too and agree that His Dark Materials is worth a watch for Kit’s heartbreaking and moving performance as Pan. You can skip ahead on the Lin Manuel sections though. Shithouse

R339 yeah probably weird for him that he’s I think 27 and feels too old for Joe and here comes grandpa 11 years older.

Anyway, Joe is fucking gorgeous

R340 He looks good! I love his ears. I don't know why people make fun of him for that. I would suck on these bad boys!

R338 People have implied that the guy is infamous in gay circles around London and that the relationship/situationship/whatever started in London, right? Hard to say who might know about it without knowing how long ago this started. I think it was also implied that he's not in the industry, unless banking means he works in film production.

I could see someone like Tobie being concerned but also knowing what it's like to be into older men. Crushes are very different to actually being with someone twice your age at 20, though. This is really where someone's line in the sand can come out, and you might have a clearer head about it when you're not the one in the relationship/situationship/whatever. Super delicate to navigate without coming off like putting the blame on your friend.

R338 I kind of wonder if his close friends won't say anything because they're worried that Joe will double down on the creep.

It’s not like he could actually take this guy to like I dunno Pride or a possible Heartstopper premier it would actually rightfully cause an uproar

Not so rightfully the uproar would at least seem to be placing blame on Joe even if the fans don’t actually mean to.

R343 I would definitely see that for him.

R341 it’s a bit taboo to talk about because Joe is self conscious about them, but I wholeheartedly agree. It’s part of the extremely filthy cute aggression I have for him. He’s completely fucking adorable as well as hot.

R344 they’d handle it completely the wrong way and give the guy a way to guilt trip Joe about it so that’s one of the main reasons I don’t want them knowing.

R341 kit always gently touching and rubbing them in kissing scenes is so real because I would too.

R340 True

R344 Not sure anyone is gonna blame a 20 year when the other guy is 38 other than the frau and her sockpuppets and the various shitty other bash fan trolls

God take us back to Joe and Kit’s little mate date at Elton John’s place.

R344 These types of relationships are common in Hollywood, sadly. I don’t think the creep would come to any premieres but maybe make Joe hurry up when it’s done so they can leave together. When I dated older guys, they were quick to leave any event we went to because I guess it was uncomfortable for them the way people looked at him/us.

R344 They'd either blame Joe or go in the other direction and defend the relationship.

R348 He’a gorgeous as always!

I assume he’ll just do random stage door appearances now when he has time or feels up to it, it’ll just be luck if people who go get to meet him.

manipulative older guys are excellent at making you feel like you have to prove yourself, generally as “mature”. In a convenient coincidence for them, being mature is always just doing whatever they want. Your friends are concerned with the age gap? Wow, didn’t think you were immature enough to be swayed by random people’s opinions. Your fans make rude comments about me when they discover who I am? Guess you’re not ready for a real adult relationship if you won’t defend me. You think it’s moving too fast or I’m too possessive? Sorry I don’t want a high school relationship and take this seriously. Have seen it happen so many times in gay and straight relationships with creepy older men and it’s always shit.

Love that one of the ride or die gay Joe stans got to meet him.

R351 Or be concerned about Joe but nah him so much he doubles down and/or goes quiet for ages.

R354 I don’t think the guy needs to be as self conscious as he is about these pics but it’s sweet that he loves Joe so much that even after saying he looks awful next to him and is scared to post them he posted them anyway. And always nice to see a gay fan

R354 Great picture and good for him! Love the photobombing security guy too lol

R351 Probably. I remember Crunchy and the likes defending Lego

Vicky posting vids of Kit when he was in Paris and for a nanosecond I was hopeful he was in NY

This wasn’t on the bingo card for sure

Do we have pictures of the guy?? Is he well hung at least?

R334 I think so. I was looking at some of the posts circa the official announcement and they sounded like they were well on their way with the movie. Actually think Kit might have worked on it in the summer now.

R339 I'm doing the same thing, swinging back and forth in between subjects. A little swing back towards Kit, the aforementioned scene.

R359 Listen, a huge part of me wanting Joe and Kit to hook up is (obviously) the chemistry and how hot they look together, but there's a part of me that's wanted it because they both deserve good people. It's killing me to see Joe go from bad to worse.

R342 that a bitchy gay went to Joe’s lspg to be a cunt about the guy is so worrying. Presumably guy was just there to unload gossip because he hates Emperor Palpatine and not out of concern for Joe but amounts to the same.

R360 pictures on lockdown (I haven’t seen them) because of the lurkers here. He is apparently very hung, yes

R360 Even if he is it’s not making up for his face, body, and creep personality.

R361 This scene killed me as a kid reading the book then killed me watching this when it aired. Bravo to Kit

R363 Having seen face pictures but not dick pictures, basically this.

R343 I'd say that worry would be doubled in a situation like this where Joe is living far from home and the fossil is apparently living with him. If I'm Joe's friend, I'd already be nervous about starting a difficult conversation that could add stress when Joe needs to focus on performing. Add that I'm hypothetically a friend visiting from across the pond and might only have a couple of days to talk about it in-person, there's a risk of ending the visit on frosty terms and having to continue talks about it while long distance. While the fossil is presumably still with him in NYC. So damn messy.

R358 For what it's worth, Lego now looks like a newborn baby in retrospect. But also it seemed obvious even with limited information that it wasn't a serious relationship, while this new guy is a bit unprecedented if he flew to stay with Joe abroad and apparently see his show multiple times if not every night. I do think the NYC of it all is adding to this. It'd still be weird if Joe were doing a show on the West End, but he'd at least be closer to longtime friends and family on a regular basis.

R361 Honestly I never thought Joe and Kit would ever happen romantically but as you said, unselfishly l, I just want them both to be with decent people that they deserve and that does include each other.

Selfishly, I wouldn’t want the flirtatious banter and how much closer they’ve gotten to fade or become awkward.

R361 sorry not to scroll up, but this was the only scene they actually brought him in for, yes? I also loved these books as a kid and thought the show was great (LMM excepting)

R367 I think the flirtatious banter’s already started to fade, and I suspect it’s because the new guy is controlling. I’m not sure when he met this dinosaur, but Joe’s shirtless thirst trap and him deleting the Kit Rocketman TikTok video plus all of the Bash videos happened on the same weekend, didn’t it? I also haven’t see Joe leave those “daddy” comments on Kit or Tobie’s posts in a while, but don’t quote me on that.

R362 If he's a good fuck, that's bad news. He could stick around for a while.

R368 Yes, Dafne Keen made a specific request for Kit to be on set with her to help her do justice to the scene.

R366 As someone who didn't find Lego as ugly as everyone else (still ugliest brother) you are right. Though nothing about those two ever really alarmed me, their few pictures didn't show much of anything but friendliness, they never seemed to hang out much, Joe would always hang out with friends without him, and they never seemed that serious. On the other the other hand, the person above who said the the pics give Bash and Joe vibe (plus 20 years) from the start of the relationship was correct.

Anyway, I know I stressed my mother out at 20 with my hookup choices, so assume Joe is doing the same to his.

R369 Going to fucking vomit if he's started alienating Joe from Kit and Tobie this fucking quickly.

R370 yes. Very easy to become dicknotized when you’re not that experienced.

Hate this whole fucking thing

R374 Do we know if they were already together in December? Because December had the Elton lunch with Joe and Kit, and the press day with the whole cast was the day before that. Once we start getting videos from that press day, we might get some of the usual banter — assuming they did interviews and not just a baking game.

I think people said the fossil's pics of Joe were posted mid-January? So about a week after Kit's photodump? Lads...

I think the sample size of posts from Tobie and Kit is too small yet to be certain of that. Kits Loewe post he didn’t comment on and liked hours later I think due to rehearsal, and his other post was a photodump of Joe basically. Tobie’s most recent post he saw hours later and liked but didn’t comment on and his post before that he commented “I miss you” which isn’t a thirst comment but is really sweet. Not downplaying how fucking concerning this guy is but more hoping it hasn’t impacted the guys friendship

R376 I think they'd have to have been together by then if Joe was basically out of London the latter half of the month, right?

I haven't seen the pictures and I don't know the dinosaur's name, but are we getting ahead of ourselves here? I am concerned for Joe and from what I've heard this guy is creepy as fuck, but Joe is close to his family and I can't see this lasting long or getting very serious once his mother and family get wind of it. I'm still going under the assumption that this is a temporary thing and it will soon pass. He's surrounded by a bunch of positive gay influences now (hopefully) who will look out for him.

R369 Not the last daddy comment to Tobie being months ago

R379 I've seen the pictures and know other random bits, I don't think we're getting ahead of ourselves. It's already more serious than anything ever was with anyone since Bash.

R379 I don’t know that people are getting ahead of themselves being concerned but am trying to be objective. This guy being very concerning is one thing and that’s definitely true, seems like scum. But Joe hasn’t done anything himself yet that would be a major sign of commitment to a jealous guy in my opinion. Might be infatuated with a “cool older man” also known as a creep for now but hopefully when he fucks off back home and he has family and friends visiting him that dies down. I guess we’ll see

R380 I mean “months” but it was only two posts ago, he hasn’t skipped like 8

R376 yeah, fossil’s photodump was a week after Kit’s.

R373 yeah, I don’t think this will last long term but it’s pretty different when you’re living with someone (this is very U-Haul lesbian behaviour), he’s successful and you’re too exhausted from work spend time with people outside the relationship.

R374 that’s how coercive control works - almost immediately. That being said I think it’s jumping well ahead to assume that’s what’s happening. I don’t think attending the show every night is necessarily possessive. Maybe he just wants to watch his latest twink thrive (vomit).

R379 definitely jumping ahead. We don’t know how he has behaved in the past and he’s notorious for dating twinks (multiple) so he’s probably got a pattern. Maybe he just gets bored and moves on to the next. We need a London gay on this forum stay

Did someone mention he’s still on Grindr? Not that traditional monogamy is necessarily important but Joe seems like a one guy at a time type so he might not be cool with that

I’m not going to defend this guy, but will defend Joe. I believe that Joe can handle himself. He’s not financially dependent on anyone and he has a job he takes super seriously where he’s around lots of other people who can help him if he needs help.

Hopefully this guy is a good lay who is spoiling Joe and making him feel special and important. But if he tries to start really controlling Joe, Joe will dumb the guy in a heartbeat. It’s still creepy, but hopefully nothing scary.

R376 Sorry, I’m dumb as fuck right now and need this explained to me like I’m 5, what are you implying?

R385 yeah, I think he’s smart enough to get out of it soon. Surprised the photo dump didn’t get him shafted though. Joe does usually hate that shit. Can’t believe it didn’t get around

R385 all due respect but I don’t think anyone on here is saying anything you need to defend Joe from. I’m not set in stone sure that Joe is actually super committed to him or anything. But saying younger people are susceptible to manipulation or control by older people is just correct and has nothing to do with their intelligence, kindness, or any other factors. I agree Joe takes his job extremely seriously and honestly that’s one bit of comfort for me, that even if this went badly and Joe got hurt he’d still kill it at his job and it might even be a nice distraction for him. But that is distinct from his “strength” or whatever to not be manipulated by this guy imo. Lots of really strong wonderful people can still be exploited by manipulators

Joe was Eric’s guest to Shucked on Jan 14th. That was obviously a networking event that falls into the overall category of work. But if this guy was in NYC at the time, he was still allowing Joe to go out with other gay men without him.

R387 good point. I’m R387 and I shouldn’t have used “smart” as that has nothing to do with leveling manipulated. I guess I meant not too in it yet

R382 Yeah, I can at least say that I'm not currently worried about Joe's friendships. There's his Broadway schedule, there's the time difference, there's being in different countries. I don't see anything to be concerned about yet on that level, and would only raise eyebrows if things seem awkward when people start visiting him.

R386 Not implying anything, you're good! Just that it's wild that we had no idea about The Other Photodump. But I'm glad we didn't, that was a good week between Kit's photodump and PFW.

R389 it’s a very good point and I am not critiquing you for using this wording but fuck I want to vomit at the idea of Joe being with someone who “allows” him to do things

At the end of the day, I can't really blame us for reacting this way right now. We've all either been through this or have counseled friends through the aftermath of this kind of shit. We're all too familiar with these kind of creeps.

R387 He didn't seem to care enough to get rid of him, though he turned his tags back on when the guy went private. So seemed to allow it anyway. There are also stories the guy posted for weeks that obviously nobody has seen

Sorry to skip back to Kit's animated film, but I'm thinking about the cast. It's a mix of North Americans and Brits. I wonder if Kit will be doing an American accent or if it will be a bunch of mixed accents (I refuse to think about Pedro doing an English accent).

R394 According to the lpsg guy, these stories should be enough for others to see that he and Joe live together and eat out every day.

R395 one thing is for sure. His American accent wouldn’t be worse than bash.

R393 yep. I’m even currently in a standoff with an older friend I’m furious at for dating a man far too young (just a bit older than Joe). This inspired me to send further messages to tell him to pull his head out of arse. No fucking luck.

R395 no need for sorry. Two things can be discussed at once. I think Pedro will speak with his natural accent.

R395 I'm thinking mixed, but I don't know how much of that is that I can't picture Bill Nighy speaking with an American accent.

R395 having read the book, I can see different animals having different accents. Geese have British accents for instance

R397 He already had a pretty solid once as a kid, assume he's better at it now.

R396 Yep, that's our concern.. It has reached past anything Lego level already. Joe was obviously over him before his birthday but posting Joe on IG was the last time he paid much attention to the man at all

R394 it’s probably very lucky we didn’t see this tbh. We would have been really fucking hard pressed not to discuss it. Fuming I missed them and can’t bitch about it in the group but you’re all providing good context

R396 I don’t get it. Joe wasn’t in London a lot recently. When did they meet? While he was shooting season 3?

Don't know if this adds any context at all, but I was one of the posters that was insistent the whole time that Lego wasn't serious (including having to talk down people who thought Joe might've traveled with him to that wedding). I'm fully fucking worried about this situation and am pretty certain it's serious already from everything I've seen. I'm not someone that has a tendency to jump the gun.

R405 November is most likely. Because Joe is hardly in London in December.

Did the guy go private when his spot was blown up on lpsg?

Ugh this is so gross. I just hope Joe ditches his ass soon

R406 I worry about the timing too, don't think he was ready to actually date anyone that soon with Lego since some people take time to themselves having ending a two year relationship, but it's been over for nearly a year now (if we count the ex basically living with monks and barely seeing Joe)

R405 From what we saw, there's that party he went to with Cori for the guy that threw the big Halloween party.

I don't remember too many fan sightings out and about except for the people that took pics of him with Tobie. And someone's friend seeing Joe in Notting Hill, which might have been in December? Maybe after S3 wrapped but before he went back to IOM.

R411 Joe seemed to enjoy the quiet time of living on his own in Atlanta, but maybe wanted to have company in NYC. I sort of get it from the perspective of film shoots being long days with little downtime vs. Broadway absolute being hard work, but not 12 hours of work per day.

Kylie won the Grammy for Padam Padam. I’m claiming relevance because she commented on Kit’s What’s in my bag once and I need some good gay news

Tripling down on the adorable ears thing here

R413 that is the best news. Kylie commenting on kit’s video pops into my mind like once a week so it is entirely relevant

R413 We need to bully Alice and Patrick into using Padam Padam in the NYE party scene.

Speaking of women commenting, carnie Wilson commented on joes post again. God bless

On a more positive Joe note, his tote bag tonight was Ami. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re seriously courting him for a campaign

I’m hoping my Kylie post makes up for the deeply frauish thing I’m about to say; R414 that is a beautiful man who deserves an age appropriate, hot, hung man to worship him. Low self esteem is so damaging

R417 Carnie being a Joe and Kit stan kills me.

Jeeze the info about stories of them clearly living together and eating out a lot makes me wanna vom. Did this guy offer up his house whilst Joe was in NY in exchange for getting to fuck him or something?

It may not even be that dramamtic but yuck

R420 I am also guilty of this so no shade but in light of this Joe situation we need to stop saying it’s frauish for us to want two gorgeous sweet queer young guys who have gone through more than anyone, let alone they, deserve, to have amazing lives. Including age appropriate, deeply loving men who worship joes ass and him generally

R422 I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the guy has a place in NYC. Think he's more likely staying in a place Joe's renting like a freeloader.

R424 he's super rich apparently

R422 Joe is getting railed and eating good food for free. He works long hours. This situation must sound great to him atm. Been there.

R417 When I was going through Kit's account looking for Wild Robot clues I came across an old Carnie comment where she said that she watched the show 3 times and that Nick is one of the "most beautifully honest and adorable [characters] ever." She's too funny.

R425 I sleuthed around and didn't find any evidence of him spending any significant time in NYC. I think he does okay for himself, but I didn't get super rich vibes.

R424 I'll take the middle. I think he rented this apartment for Joe. If they'll be together for now, I wish Joe would pay less at least.

I was being nosy earlier at the RPF side of things and someone did notice the person in the car when Joe went into it but they’ve written it as secretly being Kit. I also had to tell someone to delete a CC question on Twitter yesterday concerning Joe’s dating habits. Just a heads up.

R429 Some people are writing that the guy Joe had dinner with and moved in with is Kit. I feel lucky for these fools who don't need to know the truth and are only immersed in their own imagination.

I honestly want to be like yes, Joe, make him spend money on you until you go back to London! I think that would be closer to my reaction if Joe was nearer family and friends. But, as others have said, he’s making dumb decisions (to us outsiders) but I think he does have a strong head on his shoulders and would leave at the first sight of trouble.

R426 tall, hung, rich daddy. shame about that face though

R429 Honest to god I wonder how they think the million HS fans wouldn't see Kit. I wish I could be that delusional

R429 I can imagine which dumb bitch you had to tell to delete that. The one that's gotten linked on here a lot recently?

I’m sure the “rich” thing was appealing to the LPSG twink but come on, Joe probably has more money than him.

R430 And having wild sex. I would approve of that and I do wish I was living in their delusion too.

R434 I just hope he's paying for shit so at least Joe doesn't waste money on him

R435 They think Joe tops most of the time, truly living in some wild delusion I can't hope to ever understand

R433 Has blueberries in their username. They had responded to the shit stirred actually telling them it’s nobodies business but I suggested they remove it so that people don’t go snooping, which they did.

R433 I had to tell a separate dumb bitch to delete it. As is typical for HStwt, because it’s about Joe, their response to “I hear an old guy is fucking Joe” was “he’s an adult and deserved privacy” and no concern. To the lurkers sending it to CCs, thanks for making sure I never feel too bad for gatekeeping

R437 I just checked and it's exactly who I thought it was. Laughing.

R436 Was the other was around I think, I can never get through badly written fanfiction sex though so can’t be sure haha

R438 Oh of course; not even a “Don’t start weird stories like that” just a brush it under the rug like it’s nothing.

Is the troll talking about going to stage door etc from the other week still around? I keep searching Joe’s name on Twitter to make sure nobody is saying shit lol

R443 I'm sure that creep is somewhere in there, but I think based on the angle that's probably security in the front seat?

R445 They're both so fucking pretty.

R445 fucking gorgeous. And joes resting pout face is so perfect

Not sure if this was posted or not but another great review for Joe and the show

I think we’re safe on Twitter finding anything today, they’re too busy squealing about Taylor Swift’s mediocre Grammy’s look

R451 Discovered it’s the same woman who did the review just a couple of posts up

Not to wildly swing back to the Kit thing again, but the possibility that he was working on a big Dreamworks movie while people were dragging him for being unemployed is so funny.

R453 that’s absolutely what was happening. He’s basically been consistently working in terms of projects being released. People have to chill about knowing what is happening. We have fuck all insights into what’s going on for him

R453 feel free to swing back. Thinking of someone potentially preying on Joe makes me so fucking sad I’d love to discuss his or kits career success instead. It’s such classic DL. Bash lands HTDBW and people are saying Joe will never break out (some of that was good faith homophobia concerns, some was bash fans being shady). Kit doesn’t have 5 announcements and he’s unemployed (some good faith genuine hope his agents were good and some bash fans insisting he was like their fav)

Some people seem to think that actors just are constantly publicly doing stuff like this shit takes time.

Oh, adding to the thought that Joe is playing a younger Tobias, he apparently started sucking his thumb during some scenes I assume during tense scenes?

R455 It backfired on the Bash stans especially.

Bash in an Off Off Off Off West End play -> Joe on Broadway

Bash in a BBC 9 or whatever radio play -> Kit in a Dreamworks movie

R457 I’ve seen a few threads saying he plays Tobias as really innocent and gentle and plays his deterioration. To go on a side rant, as a Sweeney fan, the way Joe sounds like he’s playing it even gorgeous voice aside sounds ideal. For those not familiar, basically, Tobias starts off as the assistant to a fraudulent Hairdresser., Pirelli, who Sweeney Todd kills. Mrs. Lovett gives him a pie for free to distract him, while the killing happens and then gives him a job. He in turn is extremely loyal to her and suspects what Sweeney is doing. Lovett locks him in the basement under a ruse; he realizes human flesh is in the pies and goes into shock, and eventually deteriorates and kills Sweeney after he kills Mrs. Lovett.

A fair few people play him as sort of a street wise, somewhat tough young guy who is not very bright and is loyal to Mrs. Lovett in a very visceral way. The way, Joe is apparently playing it is with Tobias, having a certain purity and sweetness, where he’s simple, but has good instincts about Sweeney Todd, but his love for Mrs. Lovett means that he doesn’t realize she’s involved. And apparently he really plays the idea that the fear leads Tobias down a rabbit hole and deteriorating over the time he’s locked in the basement. I would guess, sucking the thumb is part of that. I don’t think he’s necessarily playing Tobias younger, I think he’s playing him simple and naïve and sweet, and probably using the thumb sucking to show his mental deterioration before he finally snaps

R459 Perfect summary, thank you.

I'm counting this as Joe merch. That song is such an earworm.

R459 Thank you for the summary!

I see what you mean, I sort of used the word younger because the movie and various other media’s I have seen of the show has older actors, this revival seems to have younger, does sound like a good thriller of a show! Unfortunately not one of the musicals I have seen so far

R459 Yeah. He starts sucking his thumb in the last bakery scene. He plays Tobias really sweetly. That one cunty HS/Broadway fans said Daniel played him a lot rougher than Joe did, though Joe is leaning into the sweet doe eyed innocent guy that makes you cry.

And that one video review said 2012 ST was the best cast album...and the rest of the cast is fantastic, but that Toby voice. I can't. Sorry to James McConville. Joe's sweet voice fits playing a sweet character.

I’ve seen slutty waist tweets and arse tweets in the last 48 hours. If Joe’s hands start to get attention as well I’m going to start feeling fully vindicated

R463 Why did people decide to notice his ass/waist all the sudden

Like the third couple I've seen tonight who went to see Joe

R464 yeah, gay couples in the millennial range have definitely been hitting the show the last few days. Nice to see.

Fuck knows why the fact he can sing has alerted them to how hot he is. Bizarre

R463 why are they talking about the ring in the comments?

What the fuck is this shady CC response. Kit has fucking made it. Isn’t she supposed to be a fan of both?

R466 it’s not a marriage or commitment thing. They do it with Kit too. They like men in silver rings. Don’t know what to tell you

R467 she’s talking about her brother not kit

Made me chuckle. The power behind his ‘Ding Dong’ too

R469 he has fantastic vocal control to belt that so loud and in tune

R466 At least half of those ring comments come from Granny Amber's cult of JoeKit shippers. They probably think it's Joe and Kit's signal to them that they're married and planning baby names.

R468 Jesus Christ. I cannot fucking read. Thanks for that

R462 I feel like Joe is embodying the common saying that musicals are for singing what someone cannot speak. Not While I'm Around really feels like a character that can't express himself in speech getting it out through song, while still sounding like an extension of Toby's speaking voice. Songs feeling like an extension of speech was also a big philosophy for Howard Ashman, the gay songwriter that pretty much revolutionized Disney musicals with The Little Mermaid + Beauty and the Beast. If they ever get around to that gay prince musical, they better pay big homage to Ashman.

We do need a gay Prince movie, and Joe needs to be the Prince.

I do mean Disney or something, I know we have one in terms of movies about the pointless British monarchy

R471 Yeah, they'll run with it being engagement rings. I wish i was this blissfully unaware and delusional

His eyes! Catch me swooning like a 50s housewife

R475 Ffs that is equal parts hilarious and creepy. I can't put my finger on why I find that group so creepy because Vicky doesn't come off that way, but Amber and her crew certainly do.

R475 morons. That was definitely not the thrust of the original tweet. They are always talking about Kit’s silver rings. I truly think it was an observation about his hand looking hot with jewellery one (which again, he has worn lots of rings since the release of HS S1 - I don’t know why this shit is only just coming to their attention)

R475 The whole insanity of their theory or whatever is that we would KNOW because fans would know to look out for them this time or it would be close to an event like a pride float or if Kit went to the Broadway show we would defo know.

I think most of the fingers and rings pics are subtle thirst posts but then people underneath are like MARRIAGE.

Wouldn’t mind if they were going on about like male cast members friendship rings because I think they all have similar ones, don’t they? I may be misremembering something.

Vicky gets excited when Joe and Kit interacting with each other, Amber is flicking her bean to her fantasy of them being codependent obsessive boyfriends - Kinda like Nick and Charlie but worse.

R476 he’s just got a straight up stunning face.

The complete lack of self awareness

R483 I burst out laughing. What a dumb bitch

R481 Yeah, they aren't the same. Like this shit. She had more tweets where she implied Joe was happy because Kit was in NY with him living like husbands. Could be no other reason the guy who is about to be on Broadway and is living his dream could possibly be happy

Yeah, about 80% of ring comments on Twitter are about being horny for their hands. The new shippers occasionally pop up to try to make it a ship thing but no one pays attention to them.

And Vicky isn't annoying because she doesn't double down when confronted with evidence of anything and accepts reality, whether it's conductive to shipping or not.

Seriously lurkers, I’ve been raving about Joe’s arse, waist, hands, eyes, voice etc for years now. Why the fuck has it taken you so long?

Kit's boyfriends are catching strays because TSwift's new album title is apparently a nod to this group chat. Can't wait for people to make it a Straight Man thing when they literally say Andrew Scott is at the helm.

name for the reddit group: hft808

R488 paul and andrew catching strays because of Joe’s mediocre ass is so funny to me

R489 even worse, because despite Taylor being wealthy, successful, and getting critical acclaim for a worse than mid voice and no stage presence, and apparently being happy with her quarterback boyfriend, she needs to be a bitch about her ex. She best be careful because people will start flagging that hey, her good friend phoebe cheated on Paul who is also In the group she’s now talking about

Taylor Swift, a graduate of the Sebastian Croft School of Song and Dance. Also, nobody that wrote this pile of shit should ever be compared to Joni Mitchell.

Random but just noticed, Kizzy liked the post Sweeney Todd made on insta the day Joe started performing

R490 I'm also seeing people, some even fans of her on subs like r/SwiftlyNeutral, really unimpressed with her for announcing the album at the Grammys, pulling focus from other artists because she's just that big of a name. Billionaire big. I wasn't watching but they say the audience reaction from other artists wasn't particularly thrilled, either. Apparently our girl Olivia's smile was a little forced, don't blame her if true.

R493 Olivia has every right to hate her. What she did to her regarding Deja Vu is fucked up.

R494 I absolutely think The Grudge is about Taylor, but I admire Olivia for never directly confirming who her songs are about. Lets the music speak for itself.

If she’s really about to try to drag Paul alongside Joe on behalf of Phoebe…she has some nerve.

Since we’re all dragging her, want to take a moment to complain about the fact that every fucking Heartstopper fancam is set to Taylor Swift. I find it homophobic, frankly.

R496 and im pretty sure most of them are from the fake lesbian too so eww

R496 the hold TS has on white women is unreal. Also agree with Joe her only good song is champagne problems

R498 the way Joe left her 3 hour concert from amazing seats and followed her hot dancer and not her is fucking hilarious

R496 Paul and Phoebe still follow each other and like each other's posts on Instagram. I think they're cool with each other.

R498 That interview always makes me laugh because Kit looks delighted watching Joe squirm from the terror of getting canceled by Swifties.

R500 Paul is definitely the bigger person there, and I don’t even hate phoebe. Their mess is their business. But Taylor rushing into a position to get Paul dragged because she relishes weaponizing her fame against her ex is horrible, and I can’t say I’ll feel all that bad if it backfires re phoebe

R501 honestly strongly suspect Joe actually dislikes Taylor or had said she was overrated or something to lot before because he starts laughing immediately

R502 Paul's mother and sister also still follow Phoebe and Phoebe follows them so I feel like that break up was more amicable than we know. Interestingly Phoebe still follows Joe Alwyn as well. Seems that lot is more mature than Taylor.

R503 I get the same impression. It must be hard when the HS fan girlies ask them about Taylor because Joe's clearly not a fan.

R473 agreed, especially since I think the eloquence of the actual song combined with the cockney accent allows the actual devotion to Mrs. Lovett to flow through in a way that simpler speech might not. Cant wait for a really good bootleg of Joe

Paraphrasing a beloved Twitter meme here but

They used to get bullied in school for being too pretty :( the kids would chase them around yelling “pretty face pretty face!"

R504 that’s all pretty weird if Pheobe cheated. Does anybody know why that is so universally believed? I’ve not paid that much attention to Paul before he became Andrew’s sidekick (except to think, incorrectly, that he and Daisy must have hooked up at some point).

R507 I think the timing of her breakup with Paul and then being seen holding hands with the new man raised eyebrows. I like Paul so my knowledge of Phoebe all relates to him, but that's what I've heard.

R507 The timing and because she has a history of cheating.

R507 so I genuinely don’t dislike phoebe but I think it’s a few things. The timing of her getting with Bo Burnham was very very odd. There was almost certainly an overlap. Then from what I’ve read, she was the knowing other woman in another relationship (which honestly to me is tough to judge because I think she was young and there was a 10+ year age gap so he may have been shady there too), and cheated in another past relationship. So sort of a pattern

Re her and Paul being on good terms, iirc after the breakup his sister and mother stopped liking all her posts and he did too. Think he resumed liking some after her dad died. Guessing they cleared the air to some extent after that family death and are on decent terms now

R510 Now that's something I do know about her that doesn't relate to Paul. There was a 20 year age gap between her and Ryan Adams and she was Joe's age when they first hooked up. He's a fucking creep.

R511 yeah that’s why even though it’s part of a cheating “track record” I gave that caveat. I don’t think being either party in a cheating relationship is ok but I really am not going to say a 20 year old who is preyed on by a 40 year old is a bad person over it.

R511 Jesus, I didn’t realise she was one of the women who exposed him. He’s absolutely fucked

Joe’s powers of manifestation are unmatched

Since Joe's actually admits to being a good baker, he's probably a master patissier or something. Excited to watch.

R514 I'm a bit sad it's not a HS special as I think Joe would have been more relaxed and in his element plus we'd have got some really cute moments. But still happy for him he's getting to do this!

R516 as there is obviously some kind of Netflix baking promo I’m very happy to see him with this lot. I love Adam Hills and it looks like they’re in a team together. He’s got the kind of banter Joe loves

So excited for his episode! Do we know about when will it be out?

dino is actually quite rich. made partner at [redacted] firm and has an impressive resume in finance. has a bit of real estate holdings too

still wish Joe as far away from him though

R520 No matter how rich he is, I will only like him if he’s useful for Joe’s career like if he has some connections in the industry

R521 Joe seemed pretty good at making connections before the appearance of Scrooge McDuck. I can’t think of a single use for him

R523 I want any of the others back fuck sake.

Can’t wait for bake off though, I fear the cure aggression will be in full swing!

R520 I don't think you're looking at the right person.

R528 The full pictures with his hand stuffed in the apron pockets is so cute

Sorry but people unsubtly cropping this interview always kills me. Kit brought up Joe being a good baker at Teen Vogue too, right? Cute.

When would Joe have filmed bake off I wonder

Also wish Joe was doing it with the HS cast but the insane cute aggression were going to get from him being the youngest and frantic and running around with huge Bambi eyes and a dirty apron will be fantastic

R532 They don’t do it in pairs or anything or else I’d assume Kit would be there too, I love that they’ve chosen the main actor of Heartstopper though. The content is going to be terrific.

The Joe content in general is going to blow us all of our feet this year! We really should have made that bingo card.

R528 Joe legit has the best team in the world. Everything he said he wanted to do has happened.

R533 Think they chose Joe because he’s good and he said repeatedly he wants to do it. They’re both the main actors of the show.

R534 And he still got to do what was probably a baking competition with the Heartstopper cast even if it wasn't GBBO. Spoiled!

Bash looking handsome as usual

Yasmin living her best life. I wonder what projects she has coming up.

R535 think they meant more getting a lead instead of a side character to do it. Yet another thing for bash to lament to his agent

Laufey won a grammy last night. She’s the act Wasia project will support on tour. Tickets are already all sold out. Good for them.

now i should manifest a boyfriend Of his age or at least not so old and creepy

now i should manifest a boyfriend Of his age or at least not so old and creepy

Corinna on the set of her new short film The Green Frog. Currently in production.

R539 Exactly what I meant. Anyways, it’ll be so much fun!

Not the Bash troll giving us updates on the cast. Change of heart? R544 Gotcha.

The Reverend (Richard Coles) that's part of Joe's team is a fan of Heartstopper, he wrote a whole piece about the show.

[quote]I was a Charlie when I was about that age — and had a thing at school for a boy like Nick. It was an impossible and undeclared love. Even today I only have to see mud bearing the imprint of football studs and I start speaking in iambic pentameters. I seriously considered trying harder at football so I could follow him into the game, end up in the same team and get to kiss him when he scored.

[quote]Soon after I watched it, I walked past Connor at Victoria station, and found myself giving him exactly the same look that Olivia Colman, who plays his mum, gives him when he comes out to her. Then I wondered if he and Locke see this all the time — grey-haired sexagenarian men in linen shirts looking at them all smiley-weepy.

R533 The *~mAiN aCtOr~* should manifest himself a decent personal life instead!

R546 that’s actually really really nice.

Also remembering we don’t even know what Jeremy and Eric are cooking up with Joe. So all this already and more to come

R537 He looks terrible that thin.

R546 That’s sweet. For all the shit we give Alice (rightfully so) this show really made their career, especially Joe. It’s the perfect stepping stone. The show is well received and critically acclaimed.

How did Joe meet Eric please ?

R546 Reminds me of Joe's Tudum interview where he said a 56-year old man approached him and Kit in DC. The man said he came out after watching Heartstopper, now has a boyfriend, and is the happiest he's ever been.

Love the duality of them having emotional moments that while also like [earlier that day] Let's pose for photos with the Fagut Square sign.

R549 Talking about him when your fave looks like that is a choice.

R555 Joe is hot but also…my favorite is Kit and this is the second time in under a week you try to pull this “your fave” shit with the wrong fave on me. Please expand your repertoire.

R556 Your fave is Kit and you’re shitting on Bash? Lmao how pathetic!

R551 I don't think we know, but I kind of assumed he met him through Rob Houchen.

R556 Fraulein does the same thing to me. It makes me chuckle every time.

R557 Girl, a bunch of us that shit on Bash are Kit stans. It's fun. Here's a graph for you.

R556 she loves that move. Joe is my fav (though it’s very very close) but she tried to “this you” me with a comment recently that was not in fact me

I think most of the OG pre breakup bash haters are actually kit stans

Yeah, Kit is my fav but I like Joe too because it's possible to have space for both (which should be obvious to anyone past puberty). I don't even hate Bash. I simply don't care about him especially now that he isn't on the show.

Joe fans were the Bash fans. Kit fans never liked him. They were actually (and still are) much more hateful on twitter. And Bash has done nothing but ignore Kit or use him for attention after the breakup, so why would any Kit fan here who didn't like to begin with suddenly like him.

R560 Most of them on twitter are delusional Joekit shippers.

R562 You’re talking about fraus who sent hate to Maia too because she came in between their perfect ship. Just telling on yourself that you’re an homophobic frau.

My favorites are Kit and Joe equally, I don't distinguish between one and the other, but I never liked Bash, not even because he was Joe's boyfriend, he always seemed like a shady person to me

There are Joe fans (if they can be called that because even with Joe they are shit) like for example Lexxie and her little group who talk shit about Kit but only someone shits on Bash and they start whining that people are unpleasant for getting involved with that insect

R565 Funny how all the haters came out the woodwork when they broke up but before this thread was majority liked him. Anyway.

R565 He's too wonderful for all these demon boyfriend/hookups

This lady said he was kind and attentive young man. Don't know/think she's one of the weird ones so found that endearing

R566 lexxie and co are Kit antis, not Joe fans imo. They’re days late reporting joes achievements and shade him in regard to bash. It’s only when their pea brains can devise a way to “use” Joe to shit on Kit that they hype joe

R558 Thanks I will Google Rob H

I wondered because as well as amazing talent , connections are also so important and I can imagine Joe and Kit are interested to meet and network with new people . You never know where it may lead right ?

Eric seems like such a great guy amd someone amazing to have as a friend and as a connection

R570 Eric, the only older man we can trust

Anyway, for Joe's next manifestation

[quote] "I'd love to do a more serious, gritty, dark part [next]," he says. "My greatest fear is getting typecast as the sweet young twink. And I when I say that, I don't mean to put down anything that I've or am doing. I think it's just any actors greatest fear: being typecast."

Don't consider ST as that since Toby is very sweet

R568 He had a good boyfriend once but alas. It’s hard these days finding a good top, Charlie knows this and he’s appreciative.

R568 Thanks for the photo! He’s adorable in a way that can make a man crazy.

Joe posting Bake Off on his stories asap. Cute

R561 Still relevant. He was on the show for 2 seasons. You guys call this thread Heartstopper but only post about Joe. Shut up.

Either he's going to be an amazing baker or actually not good at all and just thinks he is. No inbetween. Going with good since I don't think Kit would lie

R576 do you think he won?

R576 going with legit good because it seems he actually does it a lot and is insanely modest about literally everything

R576 hid little pose. The cute aggression

R579 The chocolate hand prints too

If he’sinto it enough to buy a mixer in Atlanta guessing he’s very into it

R547 That’s what happens when you only have work in your life. Sad.

I know R543 was posted by a troll trying a new tactic to change the subject, but I’ll briefly bite anyway. Cori really is killing it. I always thought she was one of the standout actors in the show and I’m happy to see her continue to book cool new projects.

I feel like the main reason we never discuss Cori is that none of us are into women. But I can still appreciate her talent and applaud her success.

Now back to Joe… assuming he filmed Bake Off last summer. He really hasn’t had any time off at all.

R583 People here like other actors in the show. Cori is super talented. I'm impressed with most of them (unless you are Rhea, she can't act)

Anyway, king of wigs

R584 hmm, so moving through eras like Wandavision.

R586 Seems like it

And bless his agent and his talent. What he says he gets

R587 Peaking this early is insane.

R580 honestly what I can see more than anything else is him being great for an amateur and still being really hard on himself. “It’s a mess” with the sad downturned mouth and it looks great

Kit's stutter is sending me. But he does emphasize that Joe is Really Good.

still can’t decide who i’m more jealous of in these pics

Cori and Kizzy liked the British bake off post about Joe. They’re so nice. Kizzy always showing that kit and Joe are their fav guys

Why does every couple go celebrate their anniversary by seeing a cute twink. Living the dream.

R592 That's so cute. If they were split into teams for the Heartstopper baking, maybe Joe and Cori were on the same team while Kit and Kizzy were on the other.

R594 honestly I’d love if they did it by couples on screen. Kit and Joe versus Cori and Kizzy versus Yaz and Will

R595 I'd love that too, though it's still a mystery why Cori is holding a sign with Tobie's name on it. Maybe he was a judge.

R596 tragically I’d guess they’d pair up him and rhea

R596 Actually, could be just Cori, Tobie. They might make groups like they did for season 2 promo.

R598 Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure clips from the carnival filming included all of the characters going into a ride as couples, but Isaac went with Tara and Darcy. It's a cute running theme in the show that Tara makes sure Isaac always feels included, so I could see Tobie and Cori doing promo together. Tobie was with Rhea and Jenny during S2 basement promo, but now Imogen and Tori have their own love interests.

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